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  • Nam
    May 29 11:59 AM 2007
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    You do not have this poet.

    Full name: Frances Eleonore Schluneger

    Born: ca. 1903
    Died: 1977

    Born in: Kentucky
    Died in: Oklahoma

    I have her one and only book, only 4 known copies exist, you will not find it anywhere on the internet. It was published through Dorrance - which is a subsidiary publication (you pay, they publish) in Phil., Pennsylvania.

    Her book has 80 poems, I'll give you some ever-so-often. I don't believe it's her "complete works" but I do believe it's just about all of them.

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    Title: How Many Springs?
    Author: Frances Eleonore Schluneger
    Published In: How Many Springs?
    Publication Date: 1969
    Published By: Dorrance & Company
    City/State: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania






    There are wild snow geese with a dream to tell
    With fife and viol and bugle and bell —
    Wild snow geese and a black-winged plane
    Flying south in an autumn rain.
    They are flying south in an angry sky
    And some go to triumph and some to die.

    The geese will come back when the seasons change
    On their dreams' pale trace to the higher range.
    Look for them. Listen some mild March night,
    Hear their music and mark their flight!
    But the lad who steadies the bomber's wings —
    When will he come again? How many springs?





    Title: Something Strange In April
    Author: Frances Eleonore Schluneger
    Published In: How Many Springs?
    Publication Date: 1969
    Published By: Dorrance & Company
    City/State: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania




    There is something strange in April
    A man could never feel,
    For men are made of timber,
    Steel, and turning wheel.

    Then give a man December,
    And August, or July. . .
    But women kissed in April
    Remember till they die.





    Title: After His Likeness
    Author: Frances Eleonore Schluneger
    Published In: How Many Springs?
    Publication Date: 1969
    Published By: Dorrance & Company
    City/State: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania




    I AM the things that I have loved:
    White clover fields of Devon,
    One high star over Hindustan
    And April's pale green heaven.

    And in the garden of the Gods,
    Through swallows' quick, curved winging,
    I visioned stark Judean hills
    Where One I love went singing.

    And knew that Beauty must be told
    Till all my heart is spoken,
    "Or even the silver cord be loosed
    Or the golden bowl be broken."

    I am not flesh and blood, enslaved
    By fear till some hereafter —
    The lilac hills were I was born
    Held April's pale green laughter.

    I am the things that I have loved:
    A morn-caught moon's perfection —
    I am the image of my Lord,
    I move in His reflection.





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    I will give you more at another time.


  • I-Like-Rhymes
    May 30, 2007
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    Thank you for bringing this poet to our notice and sharing some of her work.
    However as she died in 1977 her work is still covered by the copyright laws in most parts of the world and so she is outside the remit of a site like ours.
    We usually work on poets who have died at least 50 years since.
    Jim

    • Nam
      June 9, 2007
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      I think you need to review your poet's list again You have many poets who are listed past the 50 year mark that used to be hidden from the general public that now are not.

      Ex:

      http://oldpoetry.com/oauthor/show/Nizar_Qabbani

      Died 1998 - listed as "modern" and shows to the public

      Died 1963:

      http://oldpoetry.com/oauthor/show/Sylvia_Plath

      Died 1984:

      http://oldpoetry.com/oauthor/show/Faiz_Ahmed_Faiz

      Not even dead yet:

      http://oldpoetry.com/oauthor/show/Dr._Maya_Angelou

      --

      Shall I continue?

      Apparently Kevin has shown them.

      So?


      • I-Like-Rhymes
        June 9, 2007
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        Yes, there are a few poets here who definitely come into the category 'modern' and each one is considered carefully to ensure that in the opinion of the research team they meet the conditions laid down in Kevin's caveat. . . .

        Modern Poet
        This poet lived past 1955, but our researchers have included a sample of their work in our archive because it is relevant to the study of classical poetry.

        This is posted on each example from the poets you have listed and a few others.

        However there are thousands of poets whose work is excluded because to include it would not be appropriate. Similarly Mz Schluneger's impact on the world of poetry does not, on the evidence shown, merit her work being included at the moment.
        Sorry.
        Jim

        • Nam
          June 11, 2007
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          That is pure trite.

          • I-Like-Rhymes
            June 11, 2007
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            I presume you meant pure tripe not trite!
            Either way you are entitled to your opinion, it just doesn't happen to be mine.
            Jim

            • Nam
              June 12, 2007
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              No, I meant "trite", going by the loose definition of: banal.

              However, I feel you contradict yourself. How exactly is the page of Sylvia Plath's (modern) a "sample" of her poetry when it seems to be her "collection" ?

              I quote your words above:

              "...our researchers have included a sample of their work in our archive"

              Almost 300 poems. That's not a "sample", that's a "collection" of most of her work, if not all.

              http://oldpoetry.com/oauthor/show/Sylvia_Plath

              I guess if they aren't "famous" or "well-known", then they mean nothing to the literary world, whether they be published or not.

              What you conceive as an "impact" is redundant in the guise of nonsense.

              If she died before the 50 year mark, would you have placed her on this website? I think you would have but then that'd too be a contradiction in when you say:

              "... impact on the world of poetry does not, on the evidence shown, merit her work being included at the moment."

              You should remove the two poems of Howard S. Abbott's that I provided for you in my long and arduous venture on locating them. His work has no impact in the world of poetry.


              • I-Like-Rhymes
                June 13, 2007
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                As you yourself imply, merit like sample, famous and trite are very imprecise terms. In the end we must all use them and interpret them in our own way.
                It seems on this occasion we disagree perhaps in some other matter we might, as in the past, agree.
                For now 'old poetry' is by the site's own definitions automatically eligible. 'New' poetry does not have that automatic entry and is subject to the decision of the current gate-keepers and on this particular occasion the matter has been decided.

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